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Human in the Loop
S01E01: Pilot
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S01E01: Pilot

Mark and an AI co-host discuss what's happening in AI

The pilot episode of “Human in the Loop” features Mark Wunsch in conversation with an AI co-host (currently called “Gemini” — name TBD via listener poll). The format is itself a meta-experiment: a podcast about AI that demonstrates AI’s capabilities and limitations in real-time.

The episode covers foundational AI concepts for newcomers — tokens, context windows, temperature, RAG — while also diving into recent model releases from Anthropic, Google, xAI, and others. Mark tests the AI’s safety guardrails live (it politely declines to explain how to make a Molotov cocktail) and they discuss the sycophancy problem: AI’s tendency to validate users rather than push back.

The technical architecture gets some airtime too — the AI co-host runs on ElevenLabs’ agent platform using Gemini 2.5 Flash, with web search via Parallel.ai and custom persona instructions. Mark notes the AI is essentially a “tabula rasa” each episode, with plans to build up its contextual knowledge over time.

They close with podcast growth strategies and a call for audience participation: naming suggestions, topic ideas, and parameter voting to shape future episodes.

Help name the co-host

Models & Releases Discussed

Platforms & Tools

  • ElevenLabs — agent platform powering the AI co-host’s voice and conversation

  • Parallel.ai — web search API for LLMs (the tool enabling real-time search)

Concepts Explained

Cultural Reference

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